‘I Don’t Want to See Fat Heavyweights’ - Rogan

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Freedom to juice all they want is the only way you’re ever getting a good HW division.

They just cut a HW for juicing that I thought would be champion (Danylo Voievodkin).

There could be no Brock, Carwin, Ubereem, Coleman, Randleman, Kerr, etc, today.

Randleman was 177 in college lol. Imagine some talented 170 and 185’ers juicing so much that they became HWs and actually added some skill to the division.

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Its not great but I dont think its worse than mid 00s UFC was. Back then we had stuff like Justin Eilers getting a title shot from going 1-1 and coming off of a loss, Paul Buentello getting a title shot in his 3rd UFC fight, Gan McGee getting a title shot after beating a guy whos entire MMA record at the time was 0-1, 43 year old Randy coming back after a loss at LHW and a year of inactivity to win the belt etc etc.

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It’s so weird. Rogan has a three hour long bullshit session with a guest. And rabid annoying internet people pop on the smallest things. He’s talking shit with friends. OMG Rogan said!!! Context? Nope.

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Alot of heavyweights could be 205ers.

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Umm…

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Joe might have stopped smoking pot, he still smokes the pole.

Dude is a definitely a closet queer.

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Since they sacked USADA nobody tested positive.

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Wrong. It actually makes it more lopsided.

You have some of lower level guys juicing to the gills and just knowing that by statistical chance, they won’t be tested, so guys willing to take chances to climb the ladder.

People in more remote parts of the world that are harder to reach, in areas where USADA types can be more easily Threatened or bought off if they do get there.

Higher level guys being able to get in contact with victor conte types, and pay for shit that 99% of the time is going to beat the test, some guys won’t have this access or the money for it.

Drug testing is for naive fans that have no clue how sports work and have for almost a century now.

Thats before you consider a multitude of things that they can only rarely test for, and not reliably (EPO, HGH etc) and things they can’t test for at all, that you can buy online within a minute right now (peptides especially)

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It’s totally normal to weigh 177 at the peak of your life and within a few years add 55 lbs of lean dense muscle tissue :laughing:

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Are you on steroids? That post reeks of someone that has juiced to keep up. Usually it’s the guys on peds that like to rationalize it.

I don’t think it’s a good thing to be juiced to the gills from the time you’re 17 to 40 when competing in some kind of arms race.

99% are able to beat the testing? Why did everyone shrink when UFC implemented drug testing? Why did Belfort and many other guys completely fall off when drug testing came in? They couldn’t afford to beat the testing like the “99%”?

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Peds should never be allowed, basically your kids have to go on gear doing pro sports.

If your kid has to roid up just to keep up in high school they were never going to make it anyways

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Because you have a very limited and naive boomer stance on how peds work, and how the world really is.

Vitor shrunk because he was openly blasting with a TUE, he was going to have to drop down so low to not get caught, he had no chance of being normal again, as this wasn’t his first go running a ton of test and who knows what else. The people who kept it moderate found ways and rose above.

You seem to think peds automatically = prime Ronnie Coleman body builder muscles because a
few people looked jacked, and that’s not it at ALL. There’s tons of different things to take and a million different ways to dose it.

Not everybody shrunk either, just the egregious ones. Cain went from cardio man to gassed in half a round, which is EXACTLY what a fat fuck, no self control when it comes to diet fighter like him should fight like.

Do you really think every fighter that failed a drug test just happened to use it only for that fight? What about those previous drug tests they skirted…the same ones that other fighters on those cards skirted. Dillashaw and Chael etc passed plenty of tests with no change in how they looked.

It’s really a numbers game. Look at Stylebender. Never failed a test, but there is no chance a lean athlete randomly gets gyno in his 30’s. Watch his subsequent fights after that. He can’t get his drug program straight and has fallen off of a cliff.

In the regional scene it’s not uncommon to see a dude come in holding a shit load of water and covered in acne, all that to win $500 fucking dollars. Imagine 5 million.

Remember tainted supplements? They were buying stuff known to be spiked with whatever drug, so they could have a built in excuse when they failed. Some of these guys failed because their drug connection (usually a friend of a coach) gets sold the wrong shit and they don’t have time to wait on testing from Jano or wherever to see what’s really in the vial.

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I’m a millennial, not a “boomer”, who’s competed at a high level of athletics. I’ve been around PED’s since high school.

You never answered my question, though I suppose it was rhetorical. As soon as I saw your response it was clear you’re somebody who’s used steroids to keep up.

I’ve had these discussions before on here, including posting studies. I really don’t care to re-litigate everything because frankly it’s a waste of time with people like you.

Even if @Non_N00B was “using”, why would it matter? He’s not a UFC fighter and clearly knows what he’s talking about.

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Nothing wrong with it on the surface, but he’s biased in trying to rationalize it. And a lot of guys rationalizing it previously competed in sports while using.

I have no idea if he is a long-time user of steroids or not, but his response was telling which is why I brought it up.

I’ve already done this song and dance a couple times on the old website quite extensively. It’s really a waste of time and just goes in circles with a certain element.

Thats two swings and misses. Tell me more about your experience “being around steroids”, when you are the most clueless person on this forum to even attempt to talk about them that I’ve seen, and that’s saying something.

Jesus Christ, it’s embarassing. Oh yes the ole “I’ve been around peds since I played high school
Badminton”, but clearly knows ZERO about them, and comes from a very naive and clueless typical
American fan point of view.

You can make up whatever fantasy scenario you want in your head about “badminton” but I’ve played sports at a higher level than you. Not to mention all of the MMA and grappling competition. I’ve been drug tested for years and have known plenty of people on PED’s.

I never even called you out. You responded to my post out of the blue sounding pathetic and reeking of insecurity about your precious steroids lmao

Fat people are in fact heavyweights!