MMA History Podcast (R): "Bart Vale" Deep Dive

damn, bart fail

insists the shamrock fight was real
basically said suzuki and funaki sucked

bart got ko’d by a judo guy in a real fight (kazunari)
weird hearing peretti talking up about barts skills

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Just finished, very cool.

Amazing that he was over in Japan in the 80’s and worked with Gotch and others way before NHB or even Shooto was started. Seems like a cool down to earth guy.

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first i saw of bart was his profile on mtv sports.
i was impressed, not realizing all his fights were fake

heres an instructional

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Rewatching Vale fights now. Another spectacular episode @MMAHistoryPodcast

I really like this one handed Americana bart is trying here. I was actually just talking about it recently (I think with @BEF ) as a counter to someone answering the phone inside of an arm triangle.

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At least he was willing to do shoots, unlike Dux. That story about Ed Parker was interesting. Why didn’t Parker want him to train with his teacher?

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aaah ok I get it now. Im always afraid to grab like that. I had my wrist popped pretty good once. Granted I dont know what Im doing with that grip and never really use it

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The biggest reason I like it is that I can keep the other arm (in this case Bart’s left) under the head, so when they straighten the arm to defend the Americana threat they go right back into arm triangle/head and armpit control.

Good detail I learned from a Barnett seminar was to take that left hand that’s under the head and instead of just kind of letting it float like he is here, make it fist and drop it right in on the front of the shoulder to keep that shoulder on the mat. Makes the americana threat more viable and the arm triangle off of their defense as well.

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bart said the kazunari fight was stopped early
ref said “he was out”

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There are two likely possibilities, I don’t know Ed Parker so I don’t know which it is.

  1. Ed had split from that instructor at some point

or

  1. it was considered disrespectful

I did Tae Kwon Do when I was a kid because it was the only martial art within 2 hours of where I grew up, and they took that shit very seriously. If a person asked one instructor to help them with something and then another, the first one would always feel disrespected. I think the idea was “you don’t think what I told you was good enough? Don’t ask me for anything ever again then.” So in a case like this they would get bent out of shape like “why do you need to train with my teacher? You think I’m not smart enough?”

I rewatched it yesterday.

Honestly he looked like he was doing well and just got overwhelmed by Kazunari’s kamikaze blitz of a million straight punches.

i think he might have been tired and a bit wobbley from eating all those head shots in turtle

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I met Bart once and he had fucking gigantic hands.

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He is someone that I would absolutely get a picture with

Then again… Moti Horenstein also falls into the category

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I love your shows. I listen to most of them. I appreciate all your guys hard work.

Did you do Spencer fisher yet?

You got to get Charles Bennet when he gets out of jail or whatever.

What about Dave Bennetau?

Don’t forget Ray Copper!

Barrett Yoshida!

Hes done Spencer and almost 300 other Notables.

I might have listened to that one actually now that I think of it

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Take your elders of Zion nonsense elsewhere.

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