Frye had decent boxing for the day. If he gassed kerr out on his feet and then kept him from taking him down later in the fight he could light him up with his hands. Kerr was outmatched by Frye standing
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Don just juiced to his gills. Mark kept going, and went out his fucking brain.
Ya gotta know your limits, ammirite?
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if STRICT Drug Testing were administered, then I give the W to FRYE
is NO DRUG TESTING enforced then I give the W to “the Specimen”
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I think Kerr still might win clean. He still would have the blast double
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I’d be happy to be wrong however
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Pretty damn good guard for a stocky kickboxer. His reverse GNP is top notch. He stopped Nutter and made many wrestlers go through hell with his noogies.
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I think Kerr takes it. Like someone said very similar to Coleman matchup. Kerr was weak mentally compared to most of those guys but was a much better athlete.
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frye had better boxing than coleman, yet coleman owned him standing
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His ground and pound during the Inoue fight was some of the most methodical and brutal in history. Almost the perfect performance.
His defensive guard was very good. He showed it against Kerr in both fights, and others like the Bobish and Nutter ones.
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Kerr was not a natural fighter at all. Trying to watch some of his fights in the leadup to this movie, they weren’t even watchable.
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It’s possible. I just don’t see Don surviving unscathed under Kerr the way Igor and Heath were able to.
Kerr’s best win was probably Enson. Duarte and Bobish were nothing to sneeze at in 1997 either. Enson was the lineal heavyweight champion when Kerr beat him, having just subbed Randy who had just won UFC gold. Frye was never close to sniffing the lineal belt.
Frye’s best win is probably what, Tank or Gary? I guess Shamrock maybe, but that’s razor thin and when both were over the hill.
I like Don. I just think this is a really bad matchup for him. Don isn’t exactly known for his gas tank and coming on strong late in fights. I don’t think he has the magic 20 minutes in Herring did.
That Herring comeback is one of the wildest moments in MMA history.
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Frye took shots from tank abbot. Tank abbot was one of the all time hardest punchers in mma. Kerr doesn’t finish him with ground and pound
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Which went the distance.
As much as I support the significance of the lineal title conversation, there is an opportunistic aspect of it that comes with Couture single handily devaluing the UFC title by going to Japan and getting subbed by Enson (among others) in a ring.
Frye won 2 solid UFC tournaments, and I would pick him to beat Enson.
Some MMA math here…
Frye and Ken looked evenly matched when they fought. I’m not saying it would have looked the same in the 90s, (I tend to think Ken handles him), but it’s certainly a fight. One of Ken’s students beat Coleman and another beat Igor. Coleman beat Igor and Frye twice. Igor beat Kerr, etc..
Obviously style matchups, intangibles, and timing are a big part of outcomes.
I’m just saying it’s not far out of the realm of possibility that Kerr doesn’t necessarily control the tougher Frye on the ground the same way Coleman was able to.
Kerr just isn’t as reliable IMO, and his resume (with all due hespect) is a little underwhelming compared to his reputation.
Again, my very first comment was Kerr/Frye might look a lot like Coleman Frye.
So obviously I’m aware of the matchup implications on paper.
Well, neither is Kerr lol.
But I think UFC era Frye when he was smaller, had a solid gas tank for the time.
Pride era Frye had those wars with Ken and Takayama – relative context acknowledged.
Of course – I might be a little biased for my old drinking buddy lol.
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2 different things.
And IIRC Frye took a couple jabs from Tank, not haymakers.
Obviously Frye had a hell of a chin regardless.
And knocked him on his ass
He took more than jabs in that fight watch it again. Remember when tank annihilated cabbage coreira with one punch?
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Enson is incredibly durable, and it was a single round fight.
I don’t think he devalued it by going somewhere and losing to people better than the ones in the UFC. I think that’s the only thing that makes the lineal title legitimate. If he would have stayed in the US fighting Tank Abbot or whoever it would have devalued it IMO.
Kerr won 2 as well, and later UFC tournaments.
This is a wild take to me but I won’t derail lol
That’s my point though, really his only weakness is gassing late and getting beat up by guys who are still all there 20+ minutes in, like Heath, Fujita, and Igor. Anywhere near his prime, we don’t see him getting touched up and hurt until he’s exhausted. I think Frye’s spirit breaks long before Marks.
I love me some Frye, but if we’re talking prime vs prime, I think Kerr smooshes him. If in the UFC with headbutts, in a 20+ minute brutal beatdown of headbutts, if in Pride, a “boring” decision where Frye just can’t stay on his feet.
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He really mostly took the one 5, or whatever we want to call the up jab thing.
He took a few more later, but the worst thing he took was literally right before Tank just fell down from being tired so I don’t think he really felt the worst of Tank. The fact that he even got touched by Tank is not a great omen for Don.
Frye sounds like he has his own personal issues with Kerr.
But if they fought on their best night I would favor Kerr pretty strongly. Although Frye no doubt is the tougher more natural fighter but Kerr at his peak was a 12-0 Undefeated multi Tournament Champ in NHB as well as a Simultaneous 12-0 Undefeated ADCC Champ and an absolute specimen.
The Enson fight Kerr might not be getting the proper credit for. Enson at that time was coming off a win over the Reigning UFC HW Champ in Couture making him MMA’s Lineal HW Champion at that time. That was far from an easy out and was a very impressive win and absolutely dominant win. I do agree though that Kerr’s ADCC record was more impressive than his NHB record at the time but to me it was the combination of him being simultaneously at the top of both before his career fall which made Kerr the beast that he was.
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