MasterOfMartialArts:
Best way of putting it. The ufc will always use some sort of stat line to promote whatever champion they want, casuals eat it up and use it to call that fighter the GOAT.
“Biggest win streak in UFC history”
Like you said anything like this is only relevant in the case of a tie in title defenses. He is 34 and can’t make it to GOAT at this point but he can still go down as one of the greatest. Amazing run, for some reason people can’t just be okay with two division champ with defenses in both weights, it has to be that they are the GOAT.
I agree.
Islam is fucking dope. He is a funny guy, he is an absolutely incredible fighter. I hope he continues to do well.
He just is not a GOAT, or even close to it. Its possible if the absolutely clears house at WW.
If he beats Morales, Prates, Brady, Usman, Belal, Shavkat, Bonfim, and Usman then we can start talking.
2 Likes
Larold
August 19, 2026, 9:17am
82
He gotta beat usman twice to be the goat.
I dont think hes the best ever but I do think hes the best we have right now. He has no weaknesses really. Other than killer instinct. Im not a fan of just holding on. Do something.
2 Likes
BrockbackMountain:
MasterOfMartialArts:
Best way of putting it. The ufc will always use some sort of stat line to promote whatever champion they want, casuals eat it up and use it to call that fighter the GOAT.
“Biggest win streak in UFC history”
Like you said anything like this is only relevant in the case of a tie in title defenses. He is 34 and can’t make it to GOAT at this point but he can still go down as one of the greatest. Amazing run, for some reason people can’t just be okay with two division champ with defenses in both weights, it has to be that they are the GOAT.
I agree.
Islam is fucking dope. He is a funny guy, he is an absolutely incredible fighter. I hope he continues to do well.
He just is not a GOAT, or even close to it. Its possible if the absolutely clears house at WW.
If he beats Morales, Prates, Brady, Usman, Belal, Shavkat, Bonfim, and Usman then we can start talking.
Yup I agree, I like the guy have enjoyed his run a lot. Amazing fighter. Who knows how much longer he will stick around
Related (sort of) I rewatched GSP vs Hendricks today
Huge GSP fan, I reckon I was biased first time but he lost that fight
3-2 Hendricks
Hendricks declining VADA testing in the lead up was a little dodgy mind you
Shit holer shows love for another shit holer
BrockbackMountain:
MasterOfMartialArts:
Best way of putting it. The ufc will always use some sort of stat line to promote whatever champion they want, casuals eat it up and use it to call that fighter the GOAT.
“Biggest win streak in UFC history”
Like you said anything like this is only relevant in the case of a tie in title defenses. He is 34 and can’t make it to GOAT at this point but he can still go down as one of the greatest. Amazing run, for some reason people can’t just be okay with two division champ with defenses in both weights, it has to be that they are the GOAT.
I agree.
Islam is fucking dope. He is a funny guy, he is an absolutely incredible fighter. I hope he continues to do well.
He just is not a GOAT, or even close to it. Its possible if the absolutely clears house at WW.
If he beats Morales, Prates, Brady, Usman, Belal, Shavkat, Bonfim, and Usman then we can start talking.
Oh so Islam clears Silva’s UFC win streak, and now he has to move up and clear the division above him to be the GOAT in MMA?
If only you imposed such high standards on everyone else.
PatrickBateman:
Oh so Islam need clears Silva’s UFC win streak, and now he has to move up and clear the division above him to be the GOAT in MMA?
If only you imposed such high standards on everyone else.
Anyone who wants to be the MMA goat has to break Double digit title defenses at a min.
This applies across the board.
People were talking about Alex P being the goat if he beat Gane. It would be a singular achievement but it wouldn’t make him the goat.
Again just like any other sport.
Scottie Sheffler is a great golfer, but he has 4 majors and Tiger has 15.
Aaron Rodgers is a great QB, but he has 1 Super Bowl and Brady has 7.
1 Like
BrockbackMountain:
PatrickBateman:
Oh so Islam need clears Silva’s UFC win streak, and now he has to move up and clear the division above him to be the GOAT in MMA?
If only you imposed such high standards on everyone else.
Anyone who wants to be the MMA goat has to break Double digit title defenses at a min.
This applies across the board.
People were talking about Alex P being the goat if he beat Gane. It would be a singular achievement but it wouldn’t make him the goat.
Again just like any other sport.
Scottie Sheffler is a great golfer, but he has 4 majors and Tiger has 15.
Aaron Rodgers is a great QB, but he has 1 Super Bowl and Brady has 7.
Brainless take.
You use title defences as the only metric for GOAT.
So many holes in this.
It’s not the only, but it’s the primary metric.
I would be willing to discuss Title wins over Title defenses or something.
Again there are things people do that can elevate them slightly above what just a pure number of titles says.
Jim Miller has has more UFC fights and more UFC wins than anyone. He should probably get to be in the hall of fame for this achievement. But it doesnt make him the best Lightweight of all time.
If you had two hypothetical champs one guy has 5 title defenses all brutal KO’s and submissions, and one guy has 6 title defenses, but zero finishes, all just boring decisions we could talk.
2 Likes
BrockbackMountain:
It’s not the only, but it’s the primary metric.
I would be willing to discuss Title wins over Title defenses or something.
Again there are things people do that can elevate them slightly above what just a pure number of titles says.
Jim Miller has has more UFC fights and more UFC wins than anyone. He should probably get to be in the hall of fame for this achievement. But it doesnt make him the best Lightweight of all time.
If you had two hypothetical champs one guy has 5 title defenses all brutal KO’s and submissions, and one guy has 6 title defenses, but zero finishes, all just boring decisions we could talk.
and Khabib is still the best p4p fighter ever, GSP’s own coach is saying Khabib’s dishrag is GOAT ffs because he stuck around longer, that should tell you all you need to know
imagine Islam vs prime Usman? I dont see Islam winning, Usman 9 out of 10
Usman Nurmagomedov is the only Usman that would ever be able to beat Islam.
1 Like
Kamarus striking is C-level and his American wrestling is a joke compared to Dagestani Abdulmanap grappling.
