If you call headbutting his fist blasting then yeah he knocked Kerr into Bolivia.
Kerr had no cardio for that fight and gave up when Fujita took a full knee strike.
I’d rather have a Lion’s den aka Frank JUAREZ Shamrock movie. Ken and Bob can be the antagonists.
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Ken beats down Frank and throws a computer across the room. Frank runs off and wins the title. Credits roll.
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Frank is still the better fighter. Pound for pound, all day. Plus, he’s native. Huge points there.
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Same here.
Your incorrect opinion about that, has nothing to do with the idea of making a movie about him – and I don’t appreciate your gargling balls comment and others you have made on different threads on the matter.
Plenty of people in the know are in agreement with me about Ken in general – and that includes the debates about which fights were worked or not.
So it’s not like I’m on a island. When it comes to people who know their shit, the opposite is true.
But we can disagree about these things without you following me to different threads and popping off any time I mention Ken because you have some bias against the guy.
Shit is uncalled for, and I double-down on my initial response to your shitty comment.
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Do Ken first.
The Frank movie can be the spin off.
Keep the same actors and bring Bas in to play himself.
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I’m talking 1997 and 1998. Rizzo had one single UFC fight when Randy lost to Enson. Frank was the best 205 pound fighter in the world when he and Enson fought for that crown.
Enson was a tier for a short period of time, but at a moment in time he was absolutely one of if not the best fighters on earth. Sure, Pedro would be good eventually, so would Barnett and whoever. And Randy would eventually be way better than Enson.
But in he whole of 1998, there isn’t even a UFC hw champion. Randy leaves after beating Mo in 97, and there isn’t even a belt until 1999 when Bas beats Randleman. Randleman, Rizzo, Barnett…these guys all break out in 98 and 99, but the best heavyweight on earth at that time is either Enson, or more likely, Igor and Kerr. For something like 18 months there isn’t even a UFC title. In 1998, Pedro is very green and most likely loses to Enson and Valentijn.
In 1998? Rizzo is a five fight vet whose only win of any note is Tiger. Enson should be a big favorite in that fight at that time IMO. And Mo is completely fucked with Enson and Valentijn. Mo got subbed by Renzo and Bas. In 1998 Valentijn is better than either of those two.
For about 1 year when he beats Mo he probably was. In 2000 he’s the best HW I think. I think Randy and Nog are tied at first until Fedor takes the reigns from Nog. After that, the best hw in the world is fighting in Japan until Werdum beats Fedor. Randy is a top 3-5 heavyweight for a really long time though.
I agree. I don’t think its the ring though, I think its how bad Randy’s sub defense was and how completely devoid of grappling offense the UFC HW division was in 98/99/00. Randy didn’t get tapped by them because they were in a ring. He gets tapped by Illukhine and Enson if they fight in plexiglass on the moon at that time. He didn’t have good sub offense training partners or a real bjj coach yet. His grappling sucked, he lost those fights and fixed it after.
I think Bobish is way better than all three of those wins. If Dan isn’t on that resume, sure. I love Goodridge, but he was never that good. Tank was a fun novelty but he’s not that impressive. Both of their résumés in the UFC honestly sucked, as much as I love that historical era. Stott and Bitetti…these guys are equally non impressive wins in hindsight.
Kerr’s wins over Gurgel and Duarte were more impressive than anything wither did in the octogon.
Enson stood with Igor and didn’t die. I don’t see a reason a guy with a terrible boxing record and vastly inferior grappling skills is that dangerous for him. I just can’t see it. Don is much worse standing than Frank was, if we’re honest.
I always love when people post this and say he’s going down from a phantom punch. I immediately know exactly how much I should value their opinions and how many of Ken’s fights they’ve actually watched.
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Fujita did fuck Kerr up. It wasn’t like Ken where literally all he did was get beat up, he turns it on at the end of the Kerr fight and beats him up.
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Jesus, i will try not to ever insult your Lord and Savior ever again. You can go over my posts on this forum and i never say anything offensive, insulting, or something that would hurt someone’s feelings 
I’ll just leave this here and if you believe this is legit your intelligence is so low you aren’t even worth debating the topic of Ken anymore anyways.
Kerr was a helluva hammer but he wasn’t a very good nail.
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I saw that in Frye wiki.May have been a qualifier but he didnt place top 20 in the last trial for Olympics which was 1988 not 87 .Kerr would pin or tech fall Frye in wrestling.Kerr did make finals losing to Angle who won Gold.Kerr also beat Coutore in Ncaa Finals
This is what I mean. Comparatively, Kerr is a nothing burger to some of the guys they couldve done. I have no desire to see Kerr argue with his old lady. I just dont get what made Kerr the movie to make. And "blasted by Fujita” mightve been a reach but he did lose.
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In 1998 Rizzo beat Tank and less than 3 months later in Jan of '99 he beat Coleman, flowed that up 4 months later by KOing Telligman.
By 1998 Enson had 3 losses and his only fight that year was the win over Couture. 13 months later he would lose 4 fights in a row.
There’s not a huge gap in time there, and Rizzo was clearly a top tier fighter who was just getting started. Tank, Coleman, Telligman within 7 months.
I suppose if you want to narrow it down to only 1998 and you’re piggybacking off a fight where Enson looked good in a loss against Frank – you can make an argument.
But even then, to say that Enson beats Rizzo “easily”, too me is just going to far.
Also, Rizzo beat Tank 9 days before Enson beat Couture in Oct. of '98.
So the only thing that would really make Enson the “favorite” had he fought Rizzo in Oct of '98 – is a loss where he “looked good”.
I’d call it even money, but even if Enson was a small favorite I don’t think that translates to him beating Rizzo “easily” – and I don’t think the events of the following couple of years help your argument.
If they fought each other a bunch of times I can almost guarantee neither would be undefeated.
In '98 Rizzo is 6-0 with a win over Tank and Valentijn is 8-4 with a win over Tamura.
So Valentijn has more experience and also losses. Just going by those records alone, frozen in time, you could argue Valentijn would be a slight favorite. But a KO win over Tank is a big deal at the time.
If you look at the events of the next couple years, Rizzo does much better, while Valentijn has a KO loss to a couple guys who aren’t as dangerous striking as Rizzo.
Meanwhile Rizzo would be 10-1 over bigger names with 8 wins by KO.
I don’t think Rizzo gained some secret knowledge in 1999.
I just think he was a badass.
And 2 months later he gets subbed by Valentijn.
I don’t think Randy and Big Nog were ever really tied. Randy just started first.
From 00/01 until Fedor, Big Nog proved himself to be the best HW we had seen IMO.
Well, he beat Bobish.
Tank beat Duarte too.
So did Shoji and Otsuka.
Not every fight happens the way it’s supposed to.
Frye had power and tenacity.
I think you’re underrating him a bit.
Fighters fight.
That man could have never trained a day in his life, and I believe he would still have been very formidable.
But with Frye I could be a little biased.
Technically, sure.
But in a standup exchange who would be more likely to hurt the other?
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This.
He was going for a leg scissors, hesitated, and got jammed up.
Just look at his knees.
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Rizzo would have worked over Enson. Enson wasn’t gonna get him off his feet and standing Rizzo would have beat his legs to pieces.
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I suggest a Shamrock movie when talking about a Kerr movie, and this was your response.
So I guess you made an exception?
Yeah… Ken really sold this punch lol.
Part of it was the documentary.
Also, Kerr has kind of a myth about him that is greater than his actual MMA accomplishments.
Amazing grappler though.
Regardless, I still hope it leads to other films.
The evolution of MMA is stacked with drama and excitement.