Hvwt Boxing tourney.. who wins?

He gonna sit down and analyze frame data lol.

You are amongst true greatness now bud :laughing:

If Usyk is faster than Muhammad Ali I’m blind.

There’s no excuse for any of them.

There are well known reasons for the Douglas loss. A reason is not an excuse.
Tyson had no excuse to party and not take training seriously. That’s on him.
His corner had no excuse not to fix the swelling in his eye so he wasn’t half blind for most of the fight.
That’s on his corner.
There was absolutely no excuse to lose to Buster Douglas, who Tyson had no business losing to.

The version of Tyson who lost to Holyfield and Lewis has no excuse either.
Even ā€œspinalā€ is no excuse.
You take the fight, you show up, you lose – no excuses.

None of this has anything to do with identifying at which point in his career Tyson was at the peak of his abilities.

And I haven’t been using the word ā€œprimeā€ either.

Reading comprehension is a skill.

What might be a another phrase for when someone is giving you ā€œreasonsā€ why their favorite fighter lost?

I swear you mcgregor noobs are goons.

Actually now that I mention his name, Mike Tyson is much more like Conor than the Shogun reference you kept using.

Shows up, gets some big knockouts against lesser competition, gets the title and becomes famous. As he moves up into harder competition, he gets figured out and starts losing. All his fanboys jump to defend his honor and explain the losses.

This shit is writes itself bro.

You don’t know me very well do you.
McGregor is one of the most overrated fighters I can think of.

And anyone calling me a ā€œnoobā€, better check his hole card.

McGregor and Tysons career run a very parallel path. You better watch it noob. You’re going to talk yourself in a corner with this one.

Now you’re just trolling.

Mcgregor fans think he lost to Nate because Nate was a heavyweight.

Tyson fans think he lost because cus.

Tyson gets knocked out, it don’t count because his trainer.

McGregor gets knocked out, well his little calf was swollen :frowning:

My God. How have I never recognized the similarities? And their fans are exactly alike too!

Fella, your noob ass just straight up told me that you don’t give excuses. Then the very next post you said you were giving ā€œreasonsā€ :laughing:

Talking about someone else trolling lol

Tyson has a sexual assault, McGregor has a sexual assault.

Tyson gets out of sorts when he gets hit by buster, McGregor gets out of sorts when he’s getting hit by Nate.

Tyson goes on to lose his rivalry with holyfield, McGregor goes on to lose the rivalry with Dustin.

damn. It’s spooky!

Well the second isn’t footwork at all, and the first thing is a funny looking thing to impress media and confuse dumb fighters. The shuffle is a showboating technique, not footwork. There’s a reason no one does it ever unless they’re just referencing him.

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Constant lead foot dominance, entering and exiting with head movement and punches, smooth switching and angles…no offense, but the shuffle is a gimmick that looks like something from Punch Out, not high level footwork.

Might as well say this is great footwork.

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I would say it’s a sign a fighter has defensive problems, not a weak chin.

Going out from light shots is a chin problem. Getting cracked with the two piece McCall hit Lewis with is a defensive error with a logical outcome.

Reasons and excuses are two different things, Jocko

Well you would be wrong. Maybe you just haven’t studied enough data yet professor lol.

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Funny how you guys’ arguments all require ā€œreasonsā€ and using your imagination.

But the things Im saying only require you to look at what actually happened in reality.

Usyk is a great fighter but no one who knows boxing is going to agree that he’s as fast as Ali. Ali has the fastest hands in the division. Look at his fights with Cleveland Williams, Zora Foley Patterson (who was also faster than Usyk) Moore. The guy is dazzlingly fast, even in his later career. His critics even marveled at his astonishing quickness. No offense to the great Usyk, but he’s workman like in comparison. Ali seemed to be a perpetual motion and moved so smoothly, his feet were among his greatest assets. He was in position, then he was blasting people as he glided out of range. Sometimes he would stand and slug, just because he also enjoyed brawling, but only the very best guys could force that and only a few could effectively cut him off. His first fight with Liston, who was Mike Tyson before Mike Tyson, was a masterclass in boxing ability (hit and don’t get hit). Liston, whom Ring Magazine was predicting would be the greatest heavyweight since Joe Louis and who absolutely annihilated the great and first ever 2x champion Patterson, looked foolish as he tried to catch Ali and got completely batted for his troubles. Go ask who has better footwork and who has better speed between these two to a boxing forum or 100 boxing writers. I’d be surprised if over 20%, even with recency bias, would pick Usyk.
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It really stinks that I’ve spent my life watching boxing and paying attention to what real boxing experts say.

I coulda just hopped on the interwebs and found the truth. Ali is overrated and only considered the greatest because of out of the ring stuff. Getting knocked out doesn’t mean you have a weak chin. And Mike Tyson was past his prime at 23.

Now that’s a real scoop!

Holmes jab was other worldly. It made some of the best punchers of his time fight like amateurs durable and freaking mean as a rattlesnake. See Mitch Blood Green’s snitching on tv how Holmes ā€˜punched me and kicked me’ . Cooney had a devastating left hook and had some durability and tall and Holmes took him apart. If I am not mistaken Big George said Cooney was in the top few of punchers he had faced.
Mike Tyson d looked his most vulnerable fighting tall fast movers… see Quick Tillis… Mike did overcame that puzzle. But, Lennox and (Bowe) were fast , tall great jabs and had the power to close the show. Lennox sparred and fought in the Amatuers and success against both.. though I dispute the TKO over Bowe in the Olympics.

Ali was a special fighter determined, tough, fast and incredible fight iq and a precise puncher.

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