This is straight bullshit. He has a better resume than anyone in history at heavyweight . Go back and watch the first and third fights with Frazier. Respectfully, nothing comes close to those fights in terms of sustained savagery.
You’re conveniently ignoring a lot of reality. Fighters change. “These two guys are the same age so they are the same era” is just poor logic.
You only do it to put Tyson in an tougher era than he won the belt during when everyone else agrees he was at his peak.
You are giving “reasons” why you think Mike’s era was when he lost to Lennox…
Those are legendary fights.
Shogun and Hendo aren’t the greatest of all time because they had entertaining wars.
I used age as just 1 reason. When you add it in with the other 3-4 things I said, it is great logic.
To me, poor logic is only addressing one of the points i made so its seems like I was just saying they’re the same age so the same era.
I’m not the one who said that. It was taught to me by one of our resident OG super brains.
It surprised me to learn about that, it’s shocking that point made it past every other boxing expert in the history of the world 
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This is also bullshit, and a complete lie. I have said repeatedly that I think Mike’s prime was around 1990 when he fought douglas.
And when I put their records against each other, I gave Lennox a asterisk for getting that win over a old Mike (even though Lennox was older).
I definitely believe the holyfield fights were fair and square. Mike was 30. He wasnt what he had been when he was 20, and Mike had been to prison, but holyfield was past his best days too. And holyfield had a lot more mileage on him.
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Well Riddick certainly didn’t believe this.
To think we missed three years of Ali’s prime. He was not the same guy when he came back. He was still “most” of his old self but Cassius was on a completely different level. Hand and foot speed was never paralleled at HW.
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Comparing Tyson to Conor is retarded.
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I rank Holyfield as the third best heavyweight ever behind Louis and Ali based on resume. He fought everyone and could have been a champion in any era.
I think Larry Merchant said it well when he said (paraphrasing) Holyfield was the best fighter at heavyweight in his era, Lewis was the best heavyweight.
Regarding Bowe, I think the combination of his wars with Holyfield, his bad habits (ballooning in weight between fights, drinking, losing weight in the dumbest ways possible), and engaging in gym wars was responsible for Bowe flaming out so suddenly. Futch was a great trainer but if you look at his top fighters, their primes were relatively short in comparison to their peers. I believe it was a result of engaging in gym wars too often.
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Bowe ducked Lennox. He might have had a shot at beating him but he didn’t take it. It was one of the biggest tucks ever in heavyweight boxing. I was a Bowe fan but there’s no other way to call it.
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I agree. Completely retarded. But then when I started doing it, a ton of shit actually lined up.
That wasn’t my fault.
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This is what I was referring to. Lewis wasn’t Mike’s era. Mike’s era was ending when Lewis was making his debut. Lennox debuted in 89.
“OG resident Super brain” is going on resume and tinder profile!
Again, false. You are confusing his prime with his era. Just because Mike wasn’t good enough to keep his prime going for more than a couple years doesn’t change eras of boxing.
It is not unreasonable at all to say a athletes era was the years between his 23rd-33rd birthday.
If these guys weren’t in the same era, then how come so much of their careers overlapped? How come they had the same rivals? And how were they able to spar as teenagers?
Gee… It’s funny how with one simple sentence, AI repeats a bunch of stuff I’ve been saying on this thread.
It’s almost as if it’s common knowledge…
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How did Tyson change after Rooney?
After parting ways with trainer Kevin Rooney, Mike Tyson’s boxing style changed significantly. He lost the combination punching, bobbing, weaving, and pressure fighting that characterized his earlier success. Many boxing analysts believe Tyson’s style devolved into a one-dimensional, head-hunting approach, lacking the strategic depth that Rooney instilled.
Here’s a more detailed breakdown:
- Loss of Technique:
Rooney, along with Cus D’Amato and Teddy Atlas, had trained Tyson to be a more complete fighter, emphasizing combination punching, head movement, and footwork. After Rooney’s departure, Tyson’s technique suffered, with less focus on these elements.
- Focus on Power:
Tyson’s reliance on his power punch became more pronounced. He became more of a headhunter, throwing fewer combinations and relying on a single knockout blow.
- Predictable Style:
Without the intricate techniques taught by Rooney, Tyson’s fighting style became more predictable, making him easier to defend against.
- Impact on Performance:
This shift in style contributed to Tyson’s shocking defeat to Buster Douglas in 1990, where Douglas was able to exploit Tyson’s predictable attacks and defensive vulnerabilities.
- Personal Decline:
Many believe that the changes in Tyson’s boxing style were a reflection of his personal decline, including problems with alcohol and a tumultuous personal life.
Ask AI to explain why Mike Tyson needs so many very specific parameters in order to be viewed as great.
Everyone else is judged based upon their careers results. Mike should be too. He doesn’t deserve special treatment just because he burned out early.
What the hell is going on here. I said you said his era was when he lost to Lennox. You said that’s bullshit. Then said he lost to Lennox in his era lol.
You licking toads trying to cross quetzalcoatl off your bird watching list?
I think really we just have different definitions of era. I don’t think it has anything to do with age, I think it has to do with their primes. Shoguns era was around 2006. Foreman’s era was late 80’s/90’s. I guess you could define it differently but it’s weird to me to use a metric where when Tyson was champion was before his era.
Era’s vary wildly in length too.
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Tyson and Lennox didn’t meet in their primes. Tyson and Evander did though. Twice.
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