It’s because I use the normal and standard decade by decade.
Tyson fans use the ole 1987-1989 was an era lol.
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Another mistake on your part. You realize that there were like 10,000 other boxer right? Just because one guy was a champion or had his prime at a certain time, doesn’t rework everything.
I’m not really a Tyson fan though. I like him and I appreciate his style, but I’m not a fanboy who idolizes him or anything. I missed his era anyway lol.
I’m talking about your metric lol. You said era was 23-33. He won the title at 20.
The 1980s was generally considered a very down time in heavyweight boxing. You had great champions like Holmes and Tyson and a few tough contenders and good fights, but most of the decent heavyweight prospects were into coke and it robbed them of their best potential. 70s and 90s were much tougher eras.
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So then you’re saying you think it’s unreasonable for a guy to be included into an era where his age was 23-33? To be clear here, I’m not saying 23-33 is the ages of all eras. I’m saying that was his age during the 90s era.
Name one other athlete in any sport where that little caveat is necessary? One where the only time that matters is between ages of 18-22?
The 80s was the Holmes era. It was a down time. It was the bridge between the Ali era and Tyson era.
Holmes had some good wins over Cooney, Norton, Weaver, Shavers, Witherspoon, Renaldo Snipes. But guys like Snipes, Berbick, Leon Spinks, Pinklon Thomas never reached their potential. When he beat Cobb, it was so uncompetitive that it caused Howard Cosell to quit calling boxing. Holmes never had anyone who could be a real lasting foil to him until he fough Michael Spinks and by then it was obvious he wasn’t his best anymore.
None of what you said has anything to do with anything.
If you want to start ranking all-time great HWs based on the totality of their careers – then your points become more applicable.
I’m not putting “parameters” on anything.
Holmes was also treated kind of terribly by the media. He wasn’t witty like Ali and he didn’t look impressive physically. He had a weird build, with a narrow chest, wide hips and long arms. He really lost his shit when he was questioned about trying to break Rocky’s record. That wasn’t received well. A classy champion would have given Marciano his due. Holmes just came off as bitter.
As long as I don’t notice anything that happened after his 22nd bday, there’s no parameters on anything lol
Yes. I am saying any arbitrary age being someone’s era is dumb.
When is Randy Couture’s era? Vitor’s? Jan Blachowitz or Glover?
Era’s are defined by the grouping of contenders at that time. Not “some guy who happens to be this age and won a title 5 years ago or will win one 5 years later but is completely irrelevant in that moment.”
Steve Blass? Literally anyone with the yips. People who are mentally ill or have some kind of life changing events. It happens all the time in MMA. It’s usually not a world championship level guy like Tyson, but Tyson’s brain is an outlier.
No one says “Might Mouse beat Miguel Torres during Torres era” or “Nick Diaz beat BJ during Penn’s era.” People drop off quickly all the time in combat sports. Mental, physical, marital…there are a billion reasons people fall apart before 30. In combat sports especially.
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People also hated him because he beat Ali. Like it’s his fault Ali kept fighting longer than he should have.
You debate like a child.
He’s half joking, I do believe. I enjoy his interleaving his antics in lol.
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Unequivocally false.
It’s not even arguable.
This is true. He cried beating Ali. Ali definitely had Parkinson’s by then. Not only did he kill a lot of people’s hero, he wasn’t funny, didn’t give a shit Afro-centric identity politics and wasn’t flashy in the ring or out. He saved his money and bought a middle class home, not a mansion. He didn’t call rounds and was happy to jab his way to victory.
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True, Holyfield was definitely more past his prime. Older, more fights, much, much harder opponents, much longer and higher level amateur career.
I would argue that your outrageous hero worship and special pleading for special exceptions is the most childish thing in this thread.
Oh bullshit. Happens all the time in MMA. Name me one single guy who is considered an all time great when he completely fell apart at such a young age.